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NXT Funding Committee Update - Your Chance To Get Involved
« on: February 08, 2014, 02:00:20 AM »
I am a great believer in transparency, sunshine, accurate information, and inclusion. This has motivated me to generate the following: 

 ********* BEGIN COMMITTEE ORGANIZATION THREAD SUMMARY THRU POST #143 (Feb 2 - Feb 7)  ************

What follows is a summary of organizational activity which has occurred during the first five days of the NXT Community Nominations To The Funding Committee (NCNTTFC) thread at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=445209.0 .   It was begun as a spinoff by the participants of the 1500+ page Ridiculously Long NXT Pub Crawl Thread (RLNPCT) at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.31800 (where all the kewl NXT kids hang out).

The motivation for the NCNTTFC thread is that there are currently 9M of unclaimed NXT left over from the Genesis Block that are currently under control of Come-from-Beyond.  He has stated he will destroy these unclaimed 9M NXT  funds on April 3 (by "sending them back to the Genesis Block") unless the NXT community organizes a community funding committee structure that can accept and use them for the betterment of NXT.

So far activity on this thread has had the following activity, in roughly chronological order.  If somebody thinks I have left out or misrepresented something of significance, let me know and I will come back and edit this post accordingly.

SUMMARY OF COMMITTEE MEMBER NOMINATIONS:

Jean_Luc was first nominated to a committee by Utopianfuture
Come_from_Beyond was first nominated to a committee by Utopianfuture (and later declined to serve)
Joefox was first nominated to a committee by Utopianfuture (later recommended by Landomata to the marketing  committee)   
rickyjames was first nominated to a committee by Utopianfuture (and later requested membership on the infrastructure committee) 
salsacz was first nominated to a committee by Utopianfuture (later recommended by Landomata to the marketing  committee)   
Nifty was first nominated to a committee by Utopianfuture  (later recommended by Landomata to the marketing  committee)   
Anon136 was first nominated to a committee by Utopianfuture (later recommended by Landomata for the tech / dev  committee)
Klee was first nominated to a committee by Utopianfuture
opticalcarrier was first nominated to a committee by Utopianfuture (later recommended by Landomata to the infrastructure committee) 
msin was first nominated to a committee by Utopianfuture 
pinarello was first nominated to a committee by Utopianfuture
Pouncer was first nominated to a committee by Landomata
Damelon was first nominated to a committee by Salsacz
Allwelder  was first nominated to a committee by Salsacz
Uniqueorn  was first nominated to a committee by Salsacz (later recommended by gs02xzz to the marketing  committee) 
VanBreuk was first nominated to a committee by Salsacz (and later declined to serve as unqualified)
EvilDave was first nominated to a committee by Salsacz (and later declined to serve unless truly needed)
Damelon was first nominated to a committee by Jack Needles
Passion_ltc was first nominated to a committee by Jack Needles
l8orre was first nominated to a committee by Jack Needles
jl777 was first nominated to a committee by Jack Needles (and later requested membership on the tech/dev  committee) 
buybitcoinscanada was first nominated by EvilDave (later recommended by gs02xzz to the marketing  committee)
brooklynbtc was first nominated by brooklynbtc (later recommended by Landomata to the marketing  committee)   
jefdiesel was first nominated by brooklynbtc
bitcoinpaul was first nominated by NxtChg.com (who later declined)
2Kool4Skewl was first nominated by LiQio
nexetrn was first nominated by fmiboy
smaragda was first nominated by Coinonaer 
landomata was first nominated by Coinonaer
PeercoinEnthusiast was first nominated by Coinonaer  (later recommended by gs02xzz to the marketing  committee)
Davetrouser was first nominated to a committee by Landomata (specifically, the tech / dev committee)
Wesleyh was first nominated to a committee by Landomata (specifically, the tech / dev committee)
laowai80 was first nominated to a committee by Landomata (specifically, the infrastructure committee)
ferment was first nominated to a committee by Landomata (specifically, the infrastructure committee)
Tai Zen was first nominated to a committee by Landomata (specifically, the marketing committee)
Utopianfuture was first nominated to a committee by Landomata (specifically, the marketing committee)
EmoneyRu was first nominated to a committee by EmoneyRu (specifically, the tech / dev committee)
mww was first nominated to a committee by rickyjames (specifically, the marketing committee)

Utopianfuture also received a vote of no confidence from Uniqueorn (because Uf is working on a clone)

SUMMARY OF COMMITTEE STRUCTURE PROPOSALS:

The structure for the proposed committee(s) themselves have evolved during discussion from:

a single group of 5 or 7 receiving all 9M unclaimed coins; to

two groups of 5 or 7 : marketing and development with a 6M / 3M split of unclaimed coins (assumed by NxtChg.com); to

three groups of 5 or 7: marketing / development / infrastructure with a proposed 5M / 3M / 1M of unclaimed funds (first proposed by James - jl777)

SUMMARY OF COMMITTEE TREASURER SELECTION:

Further discussion on committee structure / funding levels was shelved after the above consensus reached (primarily by no challenge to James' proposal except by Nxt.Chg).  Attention turned on selecting committee treasurers for the proposed so CfB could go ahead and transfer the unclaimed 9M NXT to them, as he has pledged to destroy them on April 3 if no accounts had been set up to receive them. 

These Treasurers will have no vote on committee decisions and will disburse finds as directed by their committees.  They exist as a safeguard to provide centralized accounting of a committee's expenditures.  They have been deemed high-trust individuals and will have sole access to their committee's funds.  Identification and verification of real-world identities has been proposed but not agree upon.

By general consensus the following committee treasurers have been selected.  Come-from-Beyond has expressed a willingness to transfer the outstanding 9M in unclaimed NXT to these individuals as soon as all committee treasury account numbers are available:

Fund: NXTmarketingfund
Treasurer: neer.g
Account: pending
Ledger: pending

Fund: NXTtechdevfund
Treasurer: Pouncer
Account: 10979837763882063
Ledger: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AoE8nAOEMIa7dFFnWjRNYTM4RkhsN3dRRXFBaTBiaHc#gid=5

Fund: NXTinfrastructurefund
Treasurer: kLee
Account: 1218278327871973459
Ledger: pending

********* END COMMITTEE ORGANIZATION THREAD SUMMARY THRU POST #143 (Feb 2 - Feb 7)  ************

Above was a summary of historical activity.  What follows are my personal proposals and personal opinions based on where we are at so far in this committee organization process.

RICKYJAMES PROPOSAL 1 - All treasurers should prepare paper backup copies of their account passwords, place these in stamped postal envelopes addressed to other treasurers, and place these backup envelopes at a safe off-site location such as a bank deposit box.

Rationale: I implemented this voluntarily when designated as treasurer of the NXTcommunityfund, and my envelope is currently addressed to James / jl777.  This proposal is just plain and simple a good idea, because you never know when....

RICKYJAMES PROPOSAL 2 - The 610,019 NXT currently in NXT Marketing Account 2037401990853753795 should be voluntarily surrendered immediately by account owner (I think Salsacz) to neer.g, the Marketing Committee Treasurer.

Rationale:  NXT Marketing account transfers can be viewed at http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=2037401990853753795&offset=1&filter=1.  Spreadsheet documenting the transfers to and from this account is at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgAGADgnQcrtdHRrV3V3Z1lzOXVEMWtqdElUaEtqV1E#gid=15 .  They don't match, and in particular the spreadsheet does not meet GAAP (generally accepted accounting principles) standards. 

There have been 1,118,709 total NXT donated to the marketing account, yet it appears the spreadsheet only documents 1,012,710 NXT  being donated to NXT marketing - a difference of 105,999 NXT.  This difference between actual and recorded donations (almost a 10% shortfall) is unacceptable.  Organization of the spreadsheet only confuses rather than highlights where the NXT has gone.  Further disbursements from this account should not be made by people actively generating marketing materials and involved in marketing activities.   Auditing should be undertaken to determine where the 105,999 NXT unaccounted for by the spreadsheet has gone.

RICKYJAMES PROPOSAL 3 - Unclaimed 9M NXT should be divided equally between marketing / tech-development / infrastructure committees at 3M each

Rationale:  OK, I admit it, this is a personal plug for something I feel is important - bumping up the funding for NXT infrastructure.  In the discussion on the committee thread, this started at zero and was bumped up to 1M NXT by James to Nxt.Chg's surprise.  I think infrastructure is just as important and needs just as much funding as marketing /  further software development and here's why. 

(1) We already have a lot of newbies getting the shock of realization that PoS means low amounts of NXT aren't going to forge get-rich-quick amounts of NXT on cheap Raspberry Pis instead of expensive ASIC rigs.   
(2) Discussion on this thread is casting into doubt the ability of Raspberry Pi and smartphones to participate in NXT forging anyway as the transaction rate gets higher and the blockchain gets bigger.   
(3) We have voted to drop the NXT transaction fee by a factor of ten, which is supposed to be the main motivator and financial incentive to set up infrastructure nodes in the first place. 
(4) We are getting increasing reports from the Good Samaritans who went all-in on NXT during the December DDoS attacks and set up lots of VPNs that their expenses - especially bandwidth expenses - are WAY more than they had bargained for or can maintain as a personal commitment to NXT. 

All of these factor point towards a total rethink about what infrastructure is needed to support NXT and just how much it is going to keep it running FOREVER.  People are not being motivated by forging to add personal nodes to the network, and cheap nodes are looking more and more unlikely.  Both the infrastructure and the finances required to keep NXT going are going to end up being larger than we think now, only three months in with a tiny active network.  And yes, I admit I want to be on the infrastructure committee as a voting member and push for a 1000 TPS network (the original NXT spec!!!) if that is all possible alongside our main network.  That's more infrastructure expense, but if we succeed, it is EXACTLY what will make people sit up and notice NXT.  And send the price to the moon.


RICKYJAMES PROPOSAL 4 - Voters on funding committee nominations should not be limited to the endless Bitcointalk thread participants, but should instead be open to all nxtcoin.org forum members, with an active effort made to include them in these deliberations and consider them for committee seats.

Rationale:  This is in response to a proposal made several times by landomata in the "Funding Committee" thread :

"FINAL OPEN POLL TO PICK MEMBERS WILL TAKE PLACE ON NEXTCOIN.ORG & NXTCRYPTO.ORG.  YOU CAN SIGNUP ON EITHER NEXTCOIN or NXTCRYPTO before the poll start date BUT ONLY IF YOU HAVE POSTED ON THE NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information THREAD BEFORE FEBRUARY 2nd.2014"

I (rickyjames) have a little heartburn with the implications of this, and think the committee seats (and votes for them) should be open to anybody that wants to try and get one.  The goal should be to get the people that are best for the job regardless of where they come from in the NXT community.  I believe we should not limit the pool of funding committee candidates to the relative handful of OCD ( :)) people like me that endlessly surf the "Updated information" thread or as I call it,  the Ridiculously Long NXT Pub Crawl Thread (RLNPCT).  In particular I think we should allow others to join the committees in the future as new and brilliant people join NXT that haven't even heard of it yet.  We are not trying to set up an oligarchy; we want to be open to new people and new ideas as time goes on.

In that spirit, I am cross posting this post in the endless "updated info" thread, the 8-page-because-nobody-is-paying-arrention-to-it "committee nominations" thread, and a completely new post over on nxtcoin.org.  Just call me a pot-stirrer.  One who is a great believer in transparency, sunshine, accurate information, and inclusion.

And I am posting polls on my proposals above.  Please vote!!!

Rickyjames Proposal 1:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=454420

Rickyjames Proposal 2:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=454372

Rickyjames Proposal 3: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=454327

Rickyjames Proposal 4: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=454320

NXT continues to develop at an incredible pace.  If you've read this far, it's because you care about NXT.  Consider applying for a committee seat to help take it further.

NXT Community Nominations To The Funding Committee (NCNTTFC) thread :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=445209.0
« Last Edit: February 08, 2014, 09:54:16 PM by rickyjames »

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Re: NXT Funding Committee Update - Your Chance To Get Involved
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2014, 03:17:58 AM »
Definitely second the part about "include Nextcoin.org" i have mentioned htis 100000000 times and several times to CfB on Skype, but all the "official" decisions end up being decided by a handful of people over at BTT anyway.
So it'll be good to finally have the unclaimed NXT in the hands of the community instead of a small group of people.

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Re: NXT Funding Committee Update - Your Chance To Get Involved
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2014, 03:49:40 AM »
Hi I decline because of possible conflict of interest.

Just to add that it is great step forward for the community to form a certain kind of structure to facilitate funding for good projects before the asset exchange officially launch. It is very hard to form a consensus of any kind here and we should thank rickyjames for picking up the initiative.
« Last Edit: February 08, 2014, 03:55:29 AM by utopianfuture »
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Re: NXT Funding Committee Update - Your Chance To Get Involved
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2014, 05:14:43 AM »
Regarding infastructure, check this out: http://blog.hekkers.net/2013/12/01/meet-the-cubietruck-aka-cubieboard3/

I keep tweaking numbers as I find more accurate information, so I'm removing some of them from here but I believe cubietruck is worth looking into once Raspberry Pis become an unsuitable solution.

The paper I have coming out soon that will explain more but if you can allow people to point their forging power at others, then you split the amount made by forging so that the person who owns the currency gets say 80% and the person doing the forging using their currency gets 20% (Maybe a little higher while price of Nxt is low), I would ideally like it so that the person doing the forging is allowed to adjust how much they share with the person sharing their forging power, so that competition will drive that lower, but should be around the right amount to encourage many people to point their forging power at these other nodes but yet these nodes do make money off of the forging for other people and are therefore encouraged to find people to forge on their nodes as well as keep forging.  So these nodes will be profitable because they will probably be forging for 1 or 2 million Nxt each.

Dropping it by 10x! So 0.1 Nxt? Wow, that's too much! That could kill the coin because it will not be nearly enough for the forgers.  I would certainly stop forging and I have 200,000 Nxt (still not nearly enough :)) I'd say change it to a fixed percentage, that way the average amount of forging fees will be higher than that but microtransactions and sending 5 Nxt around is possible without being hit by a 20% transaction fee as currently happens. And if you are sending 1,000,000 Nxt around, then you don't care if you have to pay 10,000 to send it. Though potentially we'd want to cap, maybe a soft or gradual cap around 100 or 1000 Nxt?  I'd say about 0.5% should keep us sustainable at Bitcoins size and earn people some money..  I'll show you guys the paper hopefully next week, doing major rewriting this weekend due to incorrect initial assumptions about the cost of a 51% attack on Bitcoin which I was using and just restructuring it a little bit.  So I don't know about those numbers but this analysis is exactly what I've been working on and have spent every free minute during about the last month, figuring out ideal percentages assuming this infastructure and Cubietruck was the popular forging machine, so please don't change those transaction fees just yet!

I've been bouncing ideas around with SecondLeo while trying to write this paper with our proposal for how the Nxt network' configuration should be, and given that configuration how energy efficient it will be compared to Bitcoin if Bitcoin grows to the same size. Will get this done ASAP!

Also, I'd like to nominate myself and SecondLeo to the infastructure committee, if I can't nominate myself, let me know and I'll ask him to do it.

Edit: I've change the numbers here a few times..  like I said it's a work in progress. :)
« Last Edit: February 08, 2014, 09:47:53 PM by hughmanwho »
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